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I know the hysteria is hard to shake off, but the WHO came out today and said that only eight people have actually died of this "swine flu" thus far.

Only 7 swine flu deaths, not 152, says WHO

Vivienne Allan, from WHO's patient safety program, said the body had confirmed that worldwide there had been just seven deaths - all in Mexico - and 79 confirmed cases of the disease.

"Unfortunately that [150-plus deaths] is incorrect information and it does happen, but that's not information that's come from the World Health Organisation," Ms Allan told ABC Radio today.

"That figure is not a figure that's come from the World Health Organisation and, I repeat, the death toll is seven and they are all from Mexico."

I put eight in the headline, because she may have said this before the Mexican-American kid died here in the U.S.:

From the CBC:

The WHO said Wednesday that laboratory tests have confirmed 114 cases in seven countries, including:

19 cases in Canada.
91 cases in U.S. with one reported death.
26 cases in Mexico with seven reported deaths.
Two cases in Israel.
Four cases in Spain.
Two cases in the United Kingdom.
Two cases in New Zealand.

Personally I'm finding the total media hysteria over this to be really more disturbing than people actually catching the flu.  On another forum I frequent, someone is reporting CNN has a headline right now saying "Headline on CNN right now "Flu Pandemic Imminent HUMANITY UNDER THREAT"

Right ....

How many people die every year from the flu, worldwide?  Well guess what -- it's a HUGE number!   From the BBC:

It is worth remembering that seasonal flu often poses a serious threat to public health: each year it kills 250,000 - 500,000 around the world.

Let me repeat that.   Regular flu kills 250,000 - 500,000 people around the world EVERY YEAR.

We've got a ways to go before this thing even becomes normal.

I know hysteria gets a LOT of people glued to the news channels.   Think about it.   It "sells a lot of papers".  

Just something to keep in mind.

Why the WHO is feeding into the hysteria so much is, frankly, a bit of a mystery to me.   Then again I'm no expert in flu viruses.  

But so far?   Sure, wash your hands after you go out anywhere, but hey, you should do that anyway.  

Quit watching the corporate news.  It's amazing to me that still, when the corporate media says "boo" people run for the hills.  Amazing.  

Originally posted to Inky99 on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 10:26 PM PDT.

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  •  Tips for calming down (37+ / 0-)

    Turn off your TV's and relax a little bit.  

    William Casey "We will know that we have succeeded when everything the public believes is false"

    by Inky99 on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 10:26:57 PM PDT

    •  Why should the media calm down? (17+ / 0-)

      Baseless speculation and hyperbole seems to be working so well for them.
      Journalistic integrity is so old-school.

      A Wall Street "bonus" should not be more than what my house is currently worth.

      by bushondrugs on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 10:29:19 PM PDT

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    •  Explanation (9+ / 0-)

      You may want to read the H5N1 blog, which has been following pandemic flu since the avian flu outbreak. They explain that WHO totals are based on official government reports:

      So for bird flu we've relied on the officially confirmed WHO tally of cases and deaths, last updated on April 23. If you look at Indonesia's tally for 2009, you'll see not a single case. This is not because the country has freed itself from H5N1, but because it doesn't officially give WHO the time of day. ... According to those reports, least six Indonesians seem to have died of H5N1 since January, but officially they're still alive. ...

      I suspect that something similar is happening here, though not out of political fiddling. H1N1 has hit so fast, in a country dealing with recession, drug wars, and other sorrows, that the process of testing, confirming, and informing just can't cope.

      Technically, Ms Allan is right: 29 cases, seven deaths, end of story. But the stories coming out of the hospitals haven't ended at all, and WHO must understand that. Otherwise, it wouldn't have referred to the "rapid evolution" of the outbreak.

    •  Inky (7+ / 0-)

      It's really ill-informed to blame this on the corporate media.  If anything, they are downplaying the flu.  (I have seen copies of the internal, embargoed CDC media-material, and it's scary as all hell.)

      The WHO has never before raised the threat level to 5.  It is a 5 now for a reason.

      Please take the time to go toEffect Measure, a blog discussing the flu, to get some context for your information:

      What's important about this virus is its genetic novelty. As far as we know, the human population doesn't have any natural immunity to it. But what people perceive about the virus is its lack of novelty. Clinically it seems a lot like what they are used to with seasonal influenza. It's not (so far) the monster of 1918 and doesn't have the virulence of H5N1. What they are forgetting is what the genetic novelty might mean.

      Because there is no natural immunity to this virus, even though clinically it appears to be like garden variety flu to the individual, with respect to the population it has the potential to spread faster and many more people sick than seasonal flu. And remember, seasonal flu is not a walk in the park. It kills an estimated 30,000 people a year.

      A bad flu season can fill hospital emergency rooms and in patient beds to the bursting point. We currently have fewer staffed hospital beds per capita than we did in the last pandemic, 1968 (the "Hong Kong flu"). There is no reserve capacity. We can't just add physical beds. Beds don't take care of patients. Nurses and doctors do.

      Now take a bad flu season and double it. To each individual it's the same disease but now everybody is getting it at once, in every community and all over the world. In terms of virulence, it's a mild pandemic. It's not a lethal virus like 1918. But in terms of social disruption it could be very bad. If twice as many people get sick, the number of deaths could be 80,000 in the US instead of 40,000. Gurneys would line the hallways of hospitals and clinics. And absenteeism amongst health care workers would compound the problem. Infrastructure would probably survive intact. No need to have your own water supply or electricity generator. But it would be a very rough ride.

      John McCain '08: Putting the "ass" in "assisted living"!

      by foxsucks81 on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:14:01 PM PDT

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      •  here's another link (5+ / 0-)

        Effect Measureactually tackled this problem.

        And yes, your rush to judgment is as ill-informed as it is wrong.

        As is usual (routine? no, nothing routine about this) in an evolving epidemic contradictory and confusing numbers are appearing. Some of them are the result of information lags (tallies not being updated), some are the result of using different criteria for counting (suspect versus probable versus lab confirmed, etc.), some are just rumors. WHO is saying that in Mexico there are only 7 confirmed deaths, 19 more lab confirmed cases, 159 probable cases and some 1300 being evaluated, based on official reporting to them by officials of a member state, the Mexico. Everyone knows there are many more cases, however, so the WHO related reporting is more confusing than informative. CDC says there are 91 confirmed cases in the US on their swine flu page but 64 cases on the CDC home page as of 12:30 pm ET, 4/29). That's an information lag, within the same agency. The fact that there are more confirmed cases in the US than Mexico is not a reflection of how many cases are really in each place but how they are being recognized, confirmed, counted and updated.

        John McCain '08: Putting the "ass" in "assisted living"!

        by foxsucks81 on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:17:43 PM PDT

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        •  My spouse was under the impression (2+ / 0-)
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          that almost 100% of the visitors from Mexico in the past 2-4 weeks have caught the "swine flu" and/or are carriers just waiting to present with symptoms.  And, that is has spread far and wide, unlike flus before it.

          This is entirely from her understanding of the corporate media's reporting, coupled with some local town warnings that didn't provide any better context (although, it offered the usual, helpful advice on minimizing possible transmission - somewhat to the extreme, though).  She has not read the blogs or other sources on this flu as of yet.

          Even when I've seen the popular reporting, it's appeared that we're facing down a tidal wave.

          This diary makes a good point about lack of context in this reporting, with an implication that we should consider why that seems the case.

          "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

          by wader on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:41:24 PM PDT

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      •  What exactly does this mean? (2+ / 0-)
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        viscerality, Inky99

        "internal, embargoed CDC media-material:"

        Specifically, what are you calling "media material" and how and by whom is it "embargoed"?

        And lastly, but on a different subject, what did it say and how did you gain access to it?

        •  I can't speak for that commenter, (3+ / 0-)
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          but typically when a press release is being prepared but not yet going public, the author might share it with certain readers under the request that it not be shared further: that's an embargo.  So the CDC is sharing information it doesn't want public yet.

          Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

          by pico on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 01:14:13 AM PDT

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        •  My public healh dept... (3+ / 0-)
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          ... has stuff that's been under embargo for 24 - 48 hours on this.

          It's typically the time it takes for the flu strain to be confirmed by lab tests.

          So we think we may have 12 - 24 cases here (as of yesterday) but can't say for sure until sometime Friday.

          REAFFIRMED as a second-class citizen since Nov 4, 2008!

          by Timoteo on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 04:00:47 AM PDT

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      •  The problem is that I don't even (0+ / 0-)

        know what "Level 5" means.

        Come on CDC give me a color!!

    •  I will not calm. (1+ / 0-)
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      No thanks, I prefer to be in a state of wild panic.

      'Cuz every now and then it's nice to take a nostalgic trip down Memory Lane back to the Bush 2 years . . .

  •  And another thing: People are misinformed (15+ / 0-)

    about the word "pandemic." It doesn't refer to the severity of the outbreak. Just that it may be ALL over the place. They hear "pandemic" and they freak out.

  •  It's pretty exploitive. (3+ / 0-)
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    There's a fine line between informing people in an emergency and fear mongering for advertising revenue.

    We can always count on the private sector to lean heavily on that last part while neglecting the first.

    And so we get fake death toll numbers and headlines like "Humanity Threatened."

    All just to make money.

    And that shit is a lot sicker than most people are likely to get from swine flu.

  •  The other thing that we have to all just face (1+ / 0-)
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    about the next 3 years is that there's a large segment of our society, including very wealthy individuals, who believe in the same things Sarah Palin believes in.

    And there will be those who try to bring about "signs" of the apocalypse, and there will certainly be those who see "signs" in things that happen all the time. And they'll hype them like never before.

    The crazy is only going to get worse until 2012 is over, and the rest of us are just going to have to live with the crazies... or get them to see psychiatrists... or something.

  •  Hmm...odd (3+ / 0-)
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    This seems to contradict the reasoning for moving the pandemic-threat-o-meter to 5 today.  You don't say a pandemic is imminent with a relative handful of cases. Maybe they are using the Bush Administration of "imminent threats."  I hope we get a little more clarity on this in the next day.  

    Rome is burning and they do not even smell the smoke.

    by Mote Dai on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 10:43:54 PM PDT

    •  There's been a lot of bad info (8+ / 0-)

      They're still confused about the virus itself.   Before, they were saying it was a hybrid of human, pig, and bird viruses?  Now they're saying otherwise:

      http://www.wired.com/...

      Swine Flu Genes From Pigs Only, Not Humans or Birds

      The deadly H1N1 influenza virus that’s fueling fears of a global pandemic is a hybrid of two common pig flu strains, scientists who have studied the disease told Wired.com Tuesday. Earlier reports called it a combination of pig, human and avian influenza strains.

      The findings may resolve some uncertainty about the nature of the virus, but much is still unknown about its origins and effects.

      William Casey "We will know that we have succeeded when everything the public believes is false"

      by Inky99 on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 10:49:35 PM PDT

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      •  I heard that as well (5+ / 0-)
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        I heard that from other sources as well.  Someone I know attended a talk at the NIH yesterday with some folks that did some rapid analysis.  They said it was a known North American H1N1 background that acquired the neurimindase and matrix genome segments from a known European strain.

        Rome is burning and they do not even smell the smoke.

        by Mote Dai on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 10:59:39 PM PDT

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      •  Reading is Fundamental. Applies here. (11+ / 0-)

        As per your comment

        Why the WHO is feeding into the hysteria so much is, frankly, a bit of a mystery to me.   Then again I'm no expert in flu viruses.

        Wrong on #1 -- they're not, and #2, yeah, you said it yourself.

        You're reading too much into one article in one publication that is not real well sourced.  Not clear WTF Allen is.

        The current NYT article's a bit better done.  Worth reading:

        The total in Canada rose to 19, from 16. In Mexico, the number of confirmed cases of the flu rose to 99 from 49, and the number of deaths from confirmed cases of the flu was increased to 8. The number of suspected cases is much higher. [my emphasis]

        Key word here is "confirmed":  meaning that they've actually done work on a case and processed the evidence.

        So in all probability, the death toll is somewhat higher.  Maybe not a lot higher, but somewhat.  This is especially true since they did not know what they were dealing with in Mexico starting out.

        I'm not big on panic either.  But this business deserves your deep respect.  So far, the numbers are too small outside of Mexico for us to know much about virulence, mostly on statistical grounds.  And Mexico is a different case.  This stuff spreads fast, and it's been spreading in Mexico for over a month, mostly outside of the public health system, and we simply do not know how many people have had it.  Bets are that the number is large, and if people have died, it's a very small number out of a likely large sample of still unknown size.  But until we have a handle on how big the number of cases actually were, ramping up the effort and ramping it up fast is no panic -- it's a fucking imperative.  

        It's very clear that this stuff is (1) new, and (2) spreading quite fast.  So irrespective of the party the press is making of this, the public health response is absolutely a requirement.  Given the choice, a press overreaction is a much smaller potential problem than underreaction by governments and public health systems.

        "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

        by mbayrob on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:21:38 PM PDT

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      •  Well there is an avian/swine hybrid (1+ / 0-)
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        that can go mammal to mammal.  They've been put on high alert since then (2007).  I think they are afraid that this swine flu will merge w/the other swine/avian flu.  

        GOP = Godless opposition party We Hassle to make America a Vassal (state)

        by Shhs on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 02:22:20 AM PDT

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  •  and the vast majority of confirmed cases (7+ / 0-)

    are people who didn't need to be hospitalized. But you have to read the "fine print" section of the newspaper to find that little factoid.

    Though flu viruses are notorious for mutating, this clearly isn't the 1918 pandemic. And the particular lethality of the 1918 virus may very well have had something to do with trench conditions, interestingly enough, though that thesis is debated.

    How about a dose of reality from the media on this "world pandemic"? It would at least alleviate some annoying symptoms.

  •  I don't even know what to say. (0+ / 0-)

    Experience is a hard teacher because she gives the test first, the lesson afterwards

    by publicv on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 10:48:40 PM PDT

  •  I don't know. Who says it? (4+ / 0-)
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    wu ming, Mote Dai, stagemom, swampus

    "Fratboys like DL are never serious and should never be taken seriously or viewed as serious persons."

    by DemocraticLuntz on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 10:59:46 PM PDT

  •  Egypt will slaughter 300,000 pigs to stop the (0+ / 0-)

    spread of swine flu.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    ""If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." JAMES MADISON

    by isabvella on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:20:40 PM PDT

    •  Leave it to the clerics to sieze an opportunity (1+ / 0-)
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      brittain33

      This probably has more to do with Egyptian politics than anything else, I'm guessing.

      The Brotherhood likely wants those pigs dead and off the market, and this is as good an excuse as any else.  This has more to do with Islamic law and custom than microbiology, a topic that is not generally taught to Moslem clerics.  I would not be surprised if some idiot in the Israeli government starts pushing for something similar, for about the same reason, especially if the Health Ministry gets handed over to one of the religious parties (it appears that Netanyahu's holding the portfolio himself for now).

      Stopping factory farming of pigs will at best help prevent future outbreaks of new viruses.  At this point, the source of infection from this virus is other human beings, and not pigs.

      "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

      by mbayrob on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:30:50 PM PDT

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      •  Says who? (0+ / 0-)

        At this point, the source of infection from this virus is other human beings, and not pigs.

        How do you make that statement?  Seems pretty clear that the source of this virus was pigs.  

        William Casey "We will know that we have succeeded when everything the public believes is false"

        by Inky99 on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:44:41 PM PDT

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        •  A knowlege of basic biology (4+ / 0-)

          The virus crossed over to humans in a particular population.  Since pigs don't take vacations that involve lots of air travel, at this point, the virus is going to get spread faster by humans than by anything else.  And if this virus were widespread in pigs, we'd have seen multiple outbreaks centered around them, rather than concentrated in a particular region of a single country.

          I'm willing to bet fair sums that the Egyptian pigs are not hiding large numbers of relatives from the Mexican Federal District.

          Epidemiology ain't rocket science.  Common sense, and a bit of knowledge of how natural selection works, applies.

          "If another country builds a better car, we buy it. If they make a better wine, we drink it. If they have better healthcare . . . what's our problem? "

          by mbayrob on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:53:02 PM PDT

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        •  I luv ya, Inky... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... but public health obviously ain't your strong point  :)

          "Flu"s that impact humans generally resevoir in non-human animals (almost like the flu virus goes on vacation during certain seasons of the year).  Then they 'jump' to people and a new flu season starts.

          There has been a bunch of fascinating study on where flu comes from each year, why so many flu bugs seem to originate in southeast Asian, etc.

          But once flu gets into the human-to-human transmission stage, it's usually too late to control the spread by getting rid of the host animal population - - humans are now the host animal, and there are an awful lot of us, and we are much more globally mobile.

          If it is really early in an epidemic, it might be of some help ... but on this flu, "..the horse has left the barn.." already.

          So to speak ...

          REAFFIRMED as a second-class citizen since Nov 4, 2008!

          by Timoteo on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 04:09:43 AM PDT

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        •  What is the evidence for pigs being the source? (0+ / 0-)

          Just curious, because none of the stories I have read so far identify any specific populations of pigs that have show evidence of illness from the virus or otherwise tested positive for the virus. But I guess my alarm level has not been very so high so I haven't been trying to keep up on every story in the media.

    •  That'll be one helluva barbecue! (1+ / 0-)
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      We cannot win a war crime - Dancewater, July 27, 2008

      by unclejohn on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 01:01:30 AM PDT

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  •  I don't think WHO's #'s are meaningful (1+ / 0-)
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    The first cases of the virus were detected in Mexico, where health officials suspect swine flu in more than 150 other deaths and roughly 2,500 illnesses

    from CNN

    I heard the Mexican President talking about the >100 deaths in Mexico the other day. This illness is devastating the Mexican economy so I doubt he would exagerate the danger.

    If WHO really believed so few cases existed they wouldn't have raised their pandemic alert to level 5.

    Henceforth I ask not good fortune. I myself am good fortune. Walt Whitman

    by Sacramento Dem on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:28:17 PM PDT

    •  Still ... (3+ / 0-)
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      DrFood, viscerality, bushondrugs

      the key word is "suspect" here.

      Also, it's not the virus itself but the fear of it that's "devastating" the Mexican economy.  

      I'm not saying it's NOT a bad thing.  I'm just saying that the hysteria is way out of hand, especially with the media.   I'm old enough to remember the 1976 swine flu scare.  More people died from taking the vaccine than died from the actual flu.

      William Casey "We will know that we have succeeded when everything the public believes is false"

      by Inky99 on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:43:07 PM PDT

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      •  if 10% of mexican cases result in DEATH, then (0+ / 0-)

        the hype and hysteria is perhaps warranted. 100 million cases -- not a lot, really -- throughout the developing world could translate to 10 million deaths (and millions more hospitalizations). if there's a "mere" 1% death rate in the US and Europe, you're still talking about hundreds of thousands, if not millions of victims.

        To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

        by UntimelyRippd on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 06:46:15 AM PDT

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    •  Knowing the Mexican Health Service ... (0+ / 0-)

      This illness is devastating the Mexican economy so I doubt he would exaggerate the danger.

      I would bet, if anything, they are under-reporting the number of cases they think they are dealing with.

      Still not a reason to panic, but another reason why public health is watching this very, very closely.

      REAFFIRMED as a second-class citizen since Nov 4, 2008!

      by Timoteo on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 04:12:43 AM PDT

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  •  Isn't the 'newness' of the strain the concern? (3+ / 0-)
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    So-called normal flu does kill a lot of people every year. Yet, it's a known quantity. It is unlikely that much greater or lesser numbers will pass away.

    A new strain carries with it much more uncertainty. It may be mild, it may be virulent and get weaker. It may start weak and get more virulent.

    The SARS contagion was made worse because it spread so unevenly and it hit some people very hard and others barely at all. No one knew when or if it was about to break out into something truly terrifying.

    The swine flu is still an unknown quantity. Hopefully, it will turn out to be milder than feared. Looks like it so far. But its new, so it could go the other way.

    -2.38 -4.87: Damn, I love the smell of competence in the morning!

    by grapes on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:33:58 PM PDT

  •  BRING ON THE SWINE FLU!!! (1+ / 0-)
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    ehh..better to get it out of the way now then later.  What is it? Starve a fever, feed a cold?

    "It's our daunted restraint that keeps us silent in shame"

    by deadatom on Wed Apr 29, 2009 at 11:46:03 PM PDT

  •  The media will blame the Obama administration (1+ / 0-)
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    for their own hyped exaggerations if the situation is brought under control before becoming a catastrophe.

    "Water can flow, or it can crash. Be water, my friend." -Bruce Lee

    by Troubadour on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 02:37:44 AM PDT

  •  i think in the USA alone it's 35,000. (0+ / 0-)

    thank you for this diary!

  •  I blame ralph nader... (0+ / 0-)

    i'm currently unavailable, please leave a message at the beep

    by ronny mermaid on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 04:15:36 AM PDT

  •  You're Way Off on the Hyping, WHO Said (1+ / 0-)
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    middleagedhousewife

    The World Health Organisation has warned that "all of humanity is under threat" not the media.

    Get serious.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Apr 30, 2009 at 05:47:30 AM PDT

  •  The concern is who is dying this time around. (0+ / 0-)

    In a normal flu outbreak, it's those that have weak immune systems that are usually the ones that get very sick or die.  From what I've read, people getting sick and dying are young adults, not the young and the old.  This is concerning, because the influenza virus may be causing a person's immune system to overreact, causing more damage because of the immune response to the virus.  

    Be on the lookout for the symptoms of those that are very sick.  If there is a pneumonia-like illness, along with an intestinal illness, then we have a serious health threat if this virus is transmitted human-to-human.

    I do agree that it is way too early to tell what the morbidity and mortality of this new mutation is.  The WHO and governmental health agencies don't have data on infections yet, let alone morbidity and mortality.  It's too early; give it another couple of weeks.  Labs take time to run their tests.

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